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This is the stand to own - Review written on August 22, 2007
Rating: 5 out of 5
3 customers found this review helpful.
Having used just about every stand on the market, the Tracrac stand (and it's Bosch/Hitachi variants, I have the Bosch)is where it's at!
I purchased my stand over 2 years ago. Back in the day before "factory pre-assembly". I don't remember how long it took me to assemble, but not so long that I needed to cry about it.
mounting the base: Balance is VERY important. If you have a compound slider, think about the position of the saw as you CARRY it. I happen to carry mine with blade about 1/3 of the way in. (This suits how I store it in my truck and keeps from having to reach around the handle while carrying it.) What I am getting at is , if at all possible, balance the saw on the mount as you would carry it, as that is how you will drop it into the stand. when my stand is set up (reasonably level), I can drop my saw on it and it will sit there,... UNLATCHED. As a result I don't have to worry about it falling as I dog it to the stand.
The adjustable leg: If you have set the stand up where you can't adjust it to stable with that leg. You probably shouldn't be setting up there in the first place. It gives you a couple of inches in either direction.
The wheels: Yeah, they're small. But it is sold as a saw STAND not a saw dolly. Having them is sweet when you want to cruise from one end of the house to the other. They can handle a driveway/walkway that is in reasonable condition. If I have to go from front yard to back yard, I slide the saw to one end of the stand and carry the whole deal on my shoulder using the legs to balance the unit. Not much more than a bag of concrete. Bigger wheels sure would be nice, but really would only make it harder to store.
My gripes: 1. extension supports: for the sake of space, I remove them for storage. It would be nice if I didn't have to 're-calibrate' them when I re-attach them. Not that that is a huge chore.
2. the rotating stop: it would be nice if it was a flip stop instead of the contraption that it is. Not that it is excessively hard to use, but if it was easier I think I would use it more than I do.
All in all, I would still take this stand over any other I have had the (dis-)pleasure of working with.
Almost perfect saw stand - Review written on May 14, 2007
Rating: 4 out of 5
2 customers found this review helpful.
well I looked long and hard at several portable saw stands. While none available seem to have taken everything into consideration, the biggest hurdle I faced was spending more than $100 on a stand. This alone made the Ridgid MS-UV look very appealing, as well as its many features and bang for the buck. But the MS-UV seemed a little cumbersome, very heavy, and over complicated. I needed a stand that when folded up wouldn't take up half of my small pick-up bed. For years I have used the Trojan Saw Center which is a great product, i cant say enough good things about the genius and simplicity of that set-up and for about $110 it cant be beat for a compact portable tool stand, but It too, left me wanting a better dedicated stand with more built in flexibility and features. So weight and compactability narrowed my search down to the Dewalt and the Trac Rac(same build as Bosch and Hitachi, different accessories included) After closely scrutinizing the pros and cons of both and available reviews It seemed as thought while a nice unit, the Dewalt came up short. No wheels and skimpy outfeed support. Where as the Trac Rac at $229 (Bosch offering) came with more bells and whistles (wheels, adjustable leg for uneven ground, stock stops for repeating same length cuts, rollers on outfeeds to keep stock from falling off, etc.) and on sale was about the same price as the Dewalt $190. now that i own it I say I'd be happy even if I paid full price. The only thing stopping me from giving it a 5 star rating is the wheels could be bigger to make it go over steps and curbs easier, they should be attached to the bottoms of the legs, not the table/trac, and a handle would be nice for pulling it with a firm grip, after all if you have a $300-600 saw on it you dont want it slipping out of your hands. the final complaint is theat the ends of some bolts are sharp as hell and the burrs need to be filed down so they dont cut you. Ok that said this is a great stand that has already made me more efficient in the shop and the job site. If you can afford it, buy this saw stand.
Solid and good... once you get it fully assembled and configured. - Review written on April 22, 2007
Rating: 3 out of 5
2 customers found this review helpful.
Once you have it all put together and the saw fence aligned parallel with the stand, then things are great. But getting there is tough.
The box arrived in one piece - a bit dinged, but in one piece. The majority of the body is assembled. Just the support arms and mounting base need to be assembled.
The instructions are still complete junk. It does take some studying to figure out what hardware is depicted in the diagrams. The instructions indicates 30min assembly time. Yeah, right. It took me about 1.5 hours and I'm still not fully done (more at end of review.
So beyond the goofy diagrams that really are meaningless without the diagram on the front that shows the whole thing assembled... there's this mysterious parts packaging where the nuts, bolts, washers, etc are packaged in various plastic baggies.
Turns out that in my kit, 2 of the big washers are missing. To be fare, the parts list indicates 2 in the kit, and the full repair parts list at the back indicates only two. The problem is, with the support arms, you need 2 of the big washers for one support arm... and since there are 2 arms per stand.. you need 4 arms overall. So someone at the manufacturer needs to actually try and assemble their own stand from the parts supplied/indicated in the instructions. So I now need to call up Bosch and get them to send 2 big washers.
The most annoying part is getting that saw base is a PITA to get attached and aligned to the saw. There are 8 nuts that hold the thing together, the 4 big ones on top, and the 4 small ones underneath that are a pain to get to. To get the base aligned so it latches in, and the saw mounted, and get the saw fence parallel to the stand... thats some real work. The instructions really should give a set of instructions on how to do that. I spent way too much time re-loosening the nuts to be able to get the mount to engage the stand, and then again to try and align the saw to the stand. Its still not right... I need to re-loosen all 8 AGAIN to get the alignment correct (saw fence parallel to the extensions). Its complicated by the fact that I've got the big 12" Bosch sliding compound miter - which weighs a ton. Needless to say, its difficult to get all assembled and aligned quickly as just a single person (without help). But its doable.. if you take your time.
The wheel assembly came pre-assembed as well, and I've not used that feature yet, so I cannot speak to the quality of the wheel system.
Its also true you need to already need to know how to use the stands extensions. Nothing in the very lacking instructions talks about how to use the extensions or that one swivel-bracket thats on one of the extensions. I purchased the stand to get the saw up off the ground and have something portable.... so I really have no idea how to use those extensions.
Overall,
For build and quality its really 5 stars , but looses 2 stars do to the pain in the behind manual, assembly and alignment process, and missing parts.
Understanding is key... - Review written on November 23, 2006
Rating: 4 out of 5
9 customers found this review helpful.
When building this stand, it's important to understand what and how the different setup points affect your saw and rack. I would start with having the customer find the center balance point of their saw, with their saw in the raised(not locked) position. From there, it's rather easy to figure the best way to locate the saw on the rack with the sliding plates.
Once that's complete, the stand works like a dream. Tons of material support, rock solid in most situations, it's also nice to be able to separate the saw from the stand easily for transport and use in a variety of locations and situations. You can also buy from trac-rac a "trac" and mount it anywhere, and your saw can be mounted to a tailgate, trailer, workbench etc.
Yeah, it's expensive, but with the acquision of some more slider locks, i'll be able to use my belt sander, router table, and other power tools on the stand. It's an ultimate shop solution.
Burly, but look out. Good cust. service from TracRac - Review written on February 16, 2006
Rating: 4 out of 5
41 customers found this review helpful.
This is a pretty serious piece of hardware. It's bigger than you might expect, so if you have space limitations, that should be a consideration. As other reviewers indicated, the setup is a little tedious, but once you sort out all the hardware bags, it's straightforward. Don't bother searching around for the bushings for the wheel assembly by the way, they don't exist (a manual misprint/typo -- there are only bushings for the roller guides) -- you'll know what I mean if you buy one. As for attaching the saw, that can be fairly tough the first time. In order to get the camlocks set correctly, I slid them on first. Then I loosely attached the base rails. Then I wrestled the saw into place. That guaranteed the camlocks would slide correctly when they were released.
Here is the NUMBER ONE thing you have to know about this stand. When you mount the saw, make 100% sure it is perfectly balanced front to back. My beautiful Bosch 5412L took a serious header off of it when I released the camlocks all the way -- a very sick feeling when your 65 pound 500 dollar saw tips backwards off your 250 dollar stand (and y'know, they don't bounce . . . ) A miscalculation on my part, bad one. Kudos to Bosch, after weeping bitterly for a few minutes, I set it back up on the stand, set it to zero bevel/miter, pulled out the combo square and the sucker was true, but that's a different review.
One last issue I had with the stand, two of the legs showed up with broken locking pins, so they won't lock out or up. This could be a bit of a safety issue and makes collapsing/setting up very tough. I called TracRac (Bosch first, but TracRac handles all this stuff) and they immediately promised two new legs would ship the next day. Good responsiveness. I'll repost if there's any trouble with the parts showing up.
Bottom lines:
The Good: Tough piece of hardware, well built, holds a lot of weight and provides a great support extension, wheels are a nice feature for portability of some very heavy sawage. Good customer service.
The Bad: Assembly a bit of a pain, but straightforward. Must be VERY cognizant of the balance front to back, especially with a sliding compound miter. Hard to catch falling saws, it turns out. This was my bust, but the manual could have been a little sterner about the warning . . . for dense folks like me. Broken locking pins were disappointing, but customer service was responsive.
Edit: Tracrac did a good job of getting the replacement legs out to me asap. Got them installed and everything works as advertised. I'll leave the rating at 4 for the assembly and poor leg design. Ultimately, if you buy this, at least you know Tracrac will make things right.
good ideas...flawed execution - Review written on November 06, 2005
Rating: 3 out of 5
19 customers found this review helpful, 1 did not.
This stand has some good features -- it's strong, solid, well balanced. I bought it after comparing with others, largely on the basis of its adjustable leg and the fact that it can be wheeled around with the saw still attahced. The adjustable leg IS a good thing. However -- the wheels, at 3 1/2" diameter, are too small for anything but finished driveways and floors. And I found it impossible to remove and re-attach the saw working alone, which is what I do. Since it's too heavy to load in my truck (alone) when it's all together, it's impossible for me to transport it alone. The problem is with the cam locks, which require precise alignment and do not slide well. So it went back. Now we'll test the refund policy... stay tuned. Oh, and yes... it does come as a test of one's assembly skills -- over seven bags of hardware, many packages of parts, takes well over an hour. Completely unnecessary. Check out the competition. Follow-up notice posted a week later: The refund and return proceeded amazingly quickly, painlessly, and fairly. I used the return label provided online, dropped the 47-pound package at Staples, and a week later had a full refund less only $9.99 shipping charge! I had packaged it carefully, but not at all in identical condition to that in which it arrived here. I couldn't be more pleased with the customer service!
review - Review written on August 30, 2005
Rating: 4 out of 5
54 customers found this review helpful.
I purchased this stand for my Bosch 4412. Assembly was unplesant, with lots of little parts and complex instructions. Much of this could have been done at the factory, but they apparently decided my time was worth less than theirs. The saw fits very nicely, and after 6 months, I have almost forgiven them for the assembly.
The controls are very nice and tool free (though the tracks must be kept CLEAN and lubed with teflon spray). It has one adjustable leg, but if you work outside at all, you will still find yourself using scraps of wood on two other legs to keep it from wobbling. It is very strong and rigid, even with the arms fully extended. My one major objection (see, I said one, I have forgiven them now. This has been very cathartic!) is the legnth of the arms. They could have extended 12 extra inches each direction by just making the arm long as the stand.
The stand really is much better than any others on the market. It is light and portable, and even has tiny little wheels for rolling over hard, even surfaces. It has made loading the monsterously heavy and ill balanced sliding saw a one man job (with breaks!) much better.
The accessory extension stops are also very nice for cuts of the same legnth (like stair pickets). I added a little shim to the face of it so I can use it as a support extension wich helps for long, light trim and things like that. For those of us with more than one miter saw, an addational base can be purchased which makes switching between them a 60 second (no breaks) job.
I hope this helps, and please, don't respond to it in your review. No one likes that!